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Matt

Let me take a stab at something. I met my wife online. Before we ever met in person, we had wonderful conversations via e-mail. This was a few years ago, before blogs. Anyway, when we did finally meet, we had a history that sort of eclipsed normal meeting. We didn't engage in small talk, we'd already got that out of the way, we engaged in the opposite: big talk.

My point. Perhaps these days events will be more enriching for the same reason my marriage is. You have background with people you haven't met, and when you meet, you have enriched context. I think there will still be value in the conference, there will still be value in meeting face-to-face, but the conference experience will be that much better because of the social networks we build up online.

And the conference that can really harness those connections (think YearlyKos) will be well worth the price of attending.

Mike Arauz

Yep. That's the rub. "Complexity is, well, complex." We need to find some foot-holds.

Jason Oke

Mike - Thanks
Matt - interesting thought. I've recently been thinking about something similar.
http://lbtoronto.typepad.com/lbto/2007/07/social-networks.html

mark

Jason - great seeing and chatting with you. We have to continue the thought pattern of our discussion online.

I think you make a fair point about needing to give people foot holds or things to try. We have some of them figured out but still have a long way to go.

On the other hand though, it's the fact that we have not been talking enough about Lorenz curves, complexity etc. that has landed us in this mess. Yes, clients need simple heuristics, but I'd argue that doing the deeper thinking and investigating some weirder theoretical things is what planners (or some of them) need to do in order to get us there. The problem is to little of that has been happening - we either got lazy or became to much clients in looking for those simple rules.

So I guess we need a bit of both...theory/complexity and simplicity

Jason Oke

Mark - I totally agree. I think all of the discussions we've started having and the challenges to old models are hugely important, and fun too. And it feels like we've only just begun. My point is only that we can't lose sight of the responsibility to also translate that deep thinking into simple rules and lessons that will be useful to the rest of the world.

Steve Portigal

Just saw Sir Ken speak at the IDSA conference in San Francisco and it was very very inspiring. I'm not much of a zealot for anything, but this had me.

More on that conference - a long long piece - at http://www.portigal.com/blog/dan-and-steve-write-connecting07-trip-report/

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